In this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz react to a shocking anti-ICE protest that disrupted a church service in St. Paul, igniting serious concerns about civil liberties and First Amendment protections. MK & Karol condemn the demonstrators’ behavior and scrutinize the media response—particularly coverage involving Don Lemon—arguing that the incident represents a dangerous escalation in activist tactics and press complicity.

They explore the legal ramifications of targeting religious worship, including potential violations of federal law, and discuss what this moment reveals about the growing normalization of intimidation in political protests. The conversation then turns to Virginia politics, where new policies and Democratic leadership are examined for their economic and cultural consequences. The episode wraps with a refreshing, feel-good story about a YouTuber stepping back from content creation to focus on reading and self-improvement—highlighting the value of personal growth in an outrage-driven culture.

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton broadcasting from Miami ahead of the College Football National Championship, setting the stage for a wide‑ranging discussion of breaking national news, political unrest, and cultural conflict. The hour quickly pivots to major developing stories, including escalating protests in Minneapolis, federal immigration enforcement, media bias, and the role of political activists disrupting religious institutions.

The primary focus of Hour 1 is the viral Minneapolis church disruption, where left‑wing anti‑ICE protesters stormed a live Christian worship service to protest immigration enforcement. Clay and Buck condemn the protest as a blatant violation of religious freedom, private property rights, and basic civil order, emphasizing how the protesters entered a church during Sunday services, frightened congregants—including children—and halted worship. The hosts highlight how the pastor calmly but firmly demanded the protesters leave, while national media figures—including former CNN host Don Lemon—actively participated in the confrontation.

The Truth About Taxes

California’s looming tax and budget crisis, spotlighting elite left‑wing commentary advocating aggressive wealth taxation. Clay and Buck react strongly to remarks from tech journalist Kara Swisher, who criticized wealthy Californians seeking to leave the state and suggested “shock and awe” taxation. The hosts argue her comments exemplify the hostile mindset driving capital flight from high‑tax blue states like California, New York, and Illinois. They explain how federalism encourages competition between states and why Florida, Texas, and Tennessee are emerging as major economic and population winners due to lower taxes, reduced regulation, and improved quality of life.

The discussion broadens to business migration and wealth exodus trends, with examples including Elon Musk, David Sacks, Ken Griffin, and Oracle’s major expansion in Nashville. Clay and Buck argue that geography is no longer a limiting factor for innovation, contending that remote work and mobile capital have permanently weakened traditional dominance by Silicon Valley and Wall Street. Hour 2 emphasizes how excessive taxation and ineffective governance accelerate wealth flight and ultimately undermine state budgets dependent on high earners.

Self Service vs. Public Service

An in‑depth discussion of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, her inflammatory rhetoric regarding the United States, and questions surrounding her reported multimillion‑dollar net worth. Clay and Buck contrast Omar’s refugee origin story with her criticism of America, arguing that her comments reflect broader ingratitude within progressive immigration politics. They question how elected officials who have benefited enormously from U.S. opportunity can openly disparage the country, tying the issue to voter frustration over immigration, federal spending, and cultural tensions—particularly in the context of the Minneapolis anti‑ICE unrest discussed earlier in the show.

Next Top Democrat?

Josh Shapiro, Kamala Harris, and the 2024 vice‑presidential selection process. Clay and Buck revisit arguments that antisemitism and political insecurity played a role in Harris’s decision‑making and criticize what they describe as a weak Democratic bench. The hour closes with additional comments from Don Lemon, who accuses critics of “white supremacy,” drawing further pushback from Clay and Buck as evidence of identity‑based deflection rather than accountability.  Clay and Buck are attending the national championship game tonight along with President Donald Trump, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Florida political leaders—bringing the program to a close on a mix of breaking news, political analysis, and cultural commentary.

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Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton broadcasting from Miami ahead of the College Football National Championship, setting the stage for a wide‑ranging discussion of breaking national news, political unrest, and cultural conflict. The hour quickly pivots to major developing stories, including escalating protests in Minneapolis, federal immigration enforcement, media bias, and the role of political activists disrupting religious institutions.

The primary focus of Hour 1 is the viral Minneapolis church disruption, where left‑wing anti‑ICE protesters stormed a live Christian worship service to protest immigration enforcement. Clay and Buck condemn the protest as a blatant violation of religious freedom, private property rights, and basic civil order, emphasizing how the protesters entered a church during Sunday services, frightened congregants—including children—and halted worship. The hosts highlight how the pastor calmly but firmly demanded the protesters leave, while national media figures—including former CNN host Don Lemon—actively participated in the confrontation.

A major portion of the hour centers on Don Lemon’s presence inside the church, where he argued that the protesters had a First Amendment right to interrupt the service. Clay and Buck dismantle that claim by explaining the legal limits of free speech, emphasizing that the First Amendment does not allow trespassing or the disruption of private religious services. They argue Lemon crossed the line from observer to activist, particularly as video evidence shows him coordinating with protesters before entering the church. The hosts question whether journalistic protections apply when a reporter knowingly accompanies unlawful activity.
The discussion expands to federal law enforcement and immigration enforcement in Minneapolis, following a deadly encounter between ICE agents and Renee Good, which ignited the protests. 

In Hour 1, Clay and Buck analyze reporting that the FBI is now investigating whether ICE agents were assaulted during the incident, not merely the agent’s use of force. They challenge media narratives portraying Goode’s partner as a “widow,” noting the two were not married, and play audio allegedly capturing her encouraging the confrontation, including telling her partner to flee ICE agents—actions the hosts say could constitute instigation.

The hosts sharply criticize the New York Times for publishing extensive personal information about the ICE agent involved, accusing the paper of reckless doxing that endangers law enforcement officers and their families. Clay argues that President Trump should publicly honor the agent at the State of the Union, stating the media has already exposed his identity in full. Buck adds that such coverage is designed to intimidate federal officers and deter enforcement nationwide.

Hour 1 also examines the potential use of the FACE Act, a federal law protecting access to religious institutions and clinics, with Clay noting that the Biden administration aggressively prosecuted abortion‑clinic protesters under the statute. The hosts question whether the same law could be applied to protesters who forcibly disrupted a church worship service, discussing possible legal consequences and Trump administration Civil Rights Division investigations.

The hour concludes with live updates indicating protests spreading across Minneapolis, including demonstrators entering Target stores demanding the abolition of ICE. Clay reports that President Trump has 1,500 troops on standby to respond if unrest escalates further. Both hosts criticize Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Governor Tim Walz for staying silent amid the chaos, arguing that their lack of leadership has allowed disorder to spread.

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Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show expands the political and cultural analysis following the breaking news in Minneapolis, shifting focus to the broader ideological direction of the Democratic Party, immigration policy, wealth, taxation, and the emerging 2028 presidential primary landscape. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton use Hour 2 to examine what they describe as increasing radicalization, internal contradictions, and elite hypocrisy within modern Democratic leadership.

The hour opens with an in‑depth discussion of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, her inflammatory rhetoric regarding the United States, and questions surrounding her reported multimillion‑dollar net worth. Clay and Buck contrast Omar’s refugee origin story with her criticism of America, arguing that her comments reflect broader ingratitude within progressive immigration politics. They question how elected officials who have benefited enormously from U.S. opportunity can openly disparage the country, tying the issue to voter frustration over immigration, federal spending, and cultural tensions—particularly in the context of the Minneapolis anti‑ICE unrest discussed earlier in the show.

Hour 2 then pivots to California’s looming tax and budget crisis, spotlighting elite left‑wing commentary advocating aggressive wealth taxation. Clay and Buck react strongly to remarks from tech journalist Kara Swisher, who criticized wealthy Californians seeking to leave the state and suggested “shock and awe” taxation. The hosts argue her comments exemplify the hostile mindset driving capital flight from high‑tax blue states like California, New York, and Illinois. They explain how federalism encourages competition between states and why Florida, Texas, and Tennessee are emerging as major economic and population winners due to lower taxes, reduced regulation, and improved quality of life.

The discussion broadens to business migration and wealth exodus trends, with examples including Elon Musk, David Sacks, Ken Griffin, and Oracle’s major expansion in Nashville. Clay and Buck argue that geography is no longer a limiting factor for innovation, contending that remote work and mobile capital have permanently weakened traditional dominance by Silicon Valley and Wall Street. Hour 2 emphasizes how excessive taxation and ineffective governance accelerate wealth flight and ultimately undermine state budgets dependent on high earners.

A major political segment in Hour 2 of the program examines the Democratic Party’s internal divisions ahead of the 2028 presidential primary cycle. Clay and Buck discuss reporting from the New York Times detailing Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro’s allegations that Kamala Harris’s team questioned him about loyalty to Israel during vice‑presidential vetting—raising concerns about antisemitism and ideological litmus tests within Democratic leadership. The hosts also analyze claims that Shapiro was passed over in favor of Tim Walz due to political pressure from progressive activist blocs.

The hosts continue by dissecting Kamala Harris’s political future, including her ongoing book tour, questions about her popularity with key Democratic voting blocs, and speculation surrounding which state the Democratic National Committee will select as the first primary contest in 2028. Clay notes that choosing heavily Black primary states such as South Carolina or Georgia would likely benefit Harris, potentially signaling party leadership’s attempt to clear her path to the nomination. Buck and Clay remain skeptical, citing Harris’s role in concealing President Biden’s cognitive decline and questioning her electability.

Later in Hour 2, attention returns to political wealth and influence, with a deeper look at Ilhan Omar’s financial disclosures and the role of spouses and associates in leveraging congressional access. The hosts compare Omar’s wealth trajectory to long‑standing concerns over political families profiting from public office, arguing that such cases reinforce public distrust in institutions and fuel populist backlash.

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Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues the deep dive into the political fallout from the Minneapolis church protest, while expanding into law enforcement accountability, media activism, immigration enforcement, the national political climate, and Florida politics. Broadcasting on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton highlight new reactions from Democratic leaders and federal officials as the controversy gains national attention.

At the start of Hour 3, Clay and Buck note that Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has now publicly condemned the disruption of a Southern Baptist church by anti‑ICE protesters—marking a significant shift after earlier silence. The hosts examine Walz’s statement distancing himself from protesters who stormed a place of worship and contrast it with comments from former CNN host Don Lemon, who attempted to justify the disruption by comparing it to civil rights‑era protests. Clay and Buck reject that comparison, arguing that the First Amendment does not permit trespassing or interruption of religious services and emphasizing that the backlash demonstrates how politically damaging the protest has become for Democrats.

New legal context surrounding the incident, with discussion of Assistant Attorney General Harmit Dhillon’s statement that federal charges are being pursued and that arrests may still follow. Clay and Buck analyze how Lemon’s shifting explanations—from advocating disruption to claiming journalistic immunity—undermine his credibility. They debate whether Lemon crossed from observer to participant and note reports suggesting Lemon could face legal exposure, while also acknowledging that such a controversy may inadvertently revive his media relevance.

The conversation broadens to media bias and activist journalism, including sharp criticism of CBS journalist Margaret Brennan during her exchange with Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem regarding the injured ICE agent involved in the Minneapolis incident. Clay and Buck argue mainstream media continues to minimize violence against law enforcement and object to the detailed public disclosure of ICE agents’ personal information, warning it places officers and their families in danger amid rising anti‑ICE hostility.

A central moment in Hour 3 breaks down video footage showing ICE agents being obstructed while attempting to arrest a convicted child sex offender, with protesters actively interfering. Clay and Buck emphasize the moral and public safety stakes of immigration enforcement, arguing that preventing ICE operations endangers vulnerable communities and protecting criminals undermines the rule of law. Buck likens the tactics to the 2020 anti‑police movement, warning that the same outcomes—crime surges and reduced public safety—could follow.

Midway through Hour 3, the show shifts tone briefly with behind‑the‑scenes moments from the Miami broadcast location before transitioning to a major interview with Congressman Byron Donalds, widely viewed as the frontrunner in the race for Governor of Florida. Donalds discusses the College Football National Championship atmosphere in Miami, then outlines his policy priorities if elected, including maintaining law and order, continuing the DeSantis governance model, lowering insurance costs, expanding housing supply, cutting red tape, and reinforcing Florida’s conservative political culture. He also addresses population growth from high‑tax blue states, arguing Florida’s success is driven by economic freedom, efficiency, and common‑sense governance.

The final segment of Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show returns to national Democratic politics, including audience reactions to earlier discussion about Josh Shapiro, Kamala Harris, and the 2024 vice‑presidential selection process. Clay and Buck revisit arguments that antisemitism and political insecurity played a role in Harris’s decision‑making and criticize what they describe as a weak Democratic bench. The hour closes with additional comments from Don Lemon, who accuses critics of “white supremacy,” drawing further pushback from Clay and Buck as evidence of identity‑based deflection rather than accountability.

Hour 3 wraps with final thoughts on the Minneapolis unrest, national media credibility, immigration enforcement, and anticipation surrounding the national championship game attended by President Donald Trump, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Florida political leaders—bringing the program to a close on a mix of breaking news, political analysis, and cultural commentary.

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In this episode, Ryan sits down with Tim Carney, senior columnist at the Washington Examiner and author of Family Unfriendly, to unpack the numbers behind modern family policy. They examine whether government childcare subsidies actually increase birth rates—or simply incentivize workforce participation. Drawing on international examples like France, Carney explains why massive public spending often fails to support family formation and instead benefits political interests, labor unions, and bureaucracies.

The conversation explores the rising cost of living, housing affordability, and regulatory barriers that make starting a family harder than ever. Carney argues for policies that genuinely help families—such as expanding the child tax credit—while questioning who truly benefits from today’s childcare and education programs.

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📍A decorated U.S. Air Force general with decades of combat leadership was taken down—not for failure, but for defying a system that turned against him. In this episode, Brig. Gen. Chris Sage explains how battlefield judgment, morale, and mission success were later punished by bureaucracy and politics. This is not just one man’s story—it exposes a precedent that affects who is allowed to lead in the U.S. military. The stakes are simple and severe: when systems override commanders after the fact, speed, trust, and readiness collapse. What’s at risk is the future of leadership in war.

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01:36 - The Resume That Makes This Impossible to Ignore
12:38 - Commanding in War While COVID Took Over
22:07 - When the System Turned on Its Own Commander
33:36 - Investigated From the Pentagon, Punished by Bureaucracy

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In this episode of The Tudor Dixon Podcast, Tudor Dixon breaks down President Trump’s recent visit to Michigan and the major economic news the media glossed over. With 5,000 new manufacturing jobs announced and strong support from autoworkers—especially in the auto industry—Tudor explains why Trump’s message resonates so deeply with working Michiganders.

Joined by The Midwestener's Kyle Olson, the conversation also tackles the media firestorm over a heckler exchange, questioning why corporate outlets focused on theatrics instead of the real economic wins. Tudor and Kyle explore how this pattern of coverage distorts public perception and shields Democrats from accountability.

The discussion expands to immigration, public safety, and law enforcement, including the backlash Border Patrol agents faced after confronting gang members in Portland. Tudor critiques sanctuary city rhetoric and argues that Democrats are increasingly defending criminals while undermining those tasked with keeping communities safe.

The episode wraps up with a look at Michigan’s political future, spotlighting U.S. Senator Elissa Slotkin and what her actions signal for upcoming elections.

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Zeroing in on the three main battlegrounds shaping early 2026: healthcare reform, immigration enforcement, and President Trump’s assertive posture on the world stage. The hour opens with discussion of a Trump-hosted rural healthcare roundtable, where the president sharply criticized Obamacare for funneling resources away from rural hospitals while enriching insurance companies. Clay and Buck explain that Trump is positioning healthcare affordability as a core issue for working Americans, particularly in rural communities that have seen hospital closures, higher costs, and reduced access. Trump argues that despite massive increases in federal spending since Obamacare passed, rural hospitals have received only a fraction of Medicaid funding, reinforcing the hosts’ long-held claim that the law increased costs, expanded bureaucracy, and incentivized fraud rather than improving care.

The conversation expands into a broader critique of the U.S. healthcare system, with Buck highlighting estimates that 10 percent of the entire federal budget is lost to fraud, much of it tied to healthcare and Medicaid. They discuss Wall Street Journal reporting showing that millions of Obamacare enrollees appear to have no healthcare claims at all, suggesting mass auto-enrollment and subsidy abuse. Clay and Buck argue this undercuts Democratic warnings of an “Obamacare apocalypse” if subsidies were reduced, pointing instead to evidence that enrollment declines are largely the result of fraud crackdowns rather than people losing necessary coverage. Trump’s announcement of a $50 billion increase in rural healthcare funding over five years is framed as both policy correction and political reset, aimed squarely at voters Republicans lost in past midterms over healthcare.

Secretary of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins, outlines a fundamental overhaul of U.S. food, nutrition, and agricultural policy in this interview, describing it as a cornerstone of President Trump’s second‑term agenda to lower costs, improve public health, and strengthen rural America. Rollins explains that USDA, in close partnership with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has introduced new dietary guidelines that reverse the old food pyramid by prioritizing “real food” such as protein, whole milk, butter, fruits, and vegetables over carbohydrate‑heavy, ultra‑processed products, arguing this shift directly targets a chronic disease crisis that consumes roughly 40 percent of federal tax dollars. She links nutrition reform to economic policy, noting that nearly 70 percent of Americans’ diets come from processed foods while Biden‑era inflation, higher labor costs, fuel prices, and interest rates devastated farmers and drove grocery prices skyward, with cumulative inflation exceeding 23 percent and SNAP spending rising 40 percent. Rollins says early indicators under Trump show falling fuel costs, easing inflation, and improving wages, and she stresses that redirecting the roughly $400 million per day USDA spends on nutrition programs toward healthier, domestically produced food—by requiring SNAP retailers to significantly expand real‑food options—will both improve access for low‑income families and create a “golden age” for American farmers and ranchers, particularly beef producers. She frames the initiative as fiscally and strategically essential, arguing it will save hundreds of billions in long‑term healthcare costs, boost U.S. agriculture, and address a national security concern in which three‑quarters of young Americans currently fail military fitness standards, concluding that food policy is inseparable from America’s economic strength, public health, and future prosperity.

Our data guru Ryan Girdusky points out that Trump deported enough illegals from Minnesota that they'll lose a congressional seat. He lays out the far‑reaching consequences of immigration enforcement on the 2030 census, congressional apportionment, and Electoral College math. Girdusky explains that illegal immigrants are counted for House representation but cannot vote, giving blue states disproportionate political power with fewer actual voters. As Trump‑era enforcement reduces the foreign‑born population in states like California, New York, Illinois, and Minnesota, those states are poised to lose congressional seats and electoral votes, while fast‑growing red states such as Texas, Florida, Georgia, and Arizona gain power. Clay and Buck frame this as the real reason Democrats are fighting ICE so aggressively: not just ideological opposition, but fear of losing political influence for the next decade.

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